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Echometer's story: 3 reasons for (not) another retro tool

So far, the biggest success of Echometer was not winning fancy brands (like Miele or Volvo) as customers, having thousands of users or raising venture capital.

Our biggest success is something pretty simple. Let me give you the whole story.

The Beginning of Echometer: Finding idea, team and money

Bob: "Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately."

Peter: "I wouldn't say I've been missing it, Bob."

Paul Wilson and Ron Livingston in the movie "Office Space"

A funny quote from the movie “Office Space” summarizes it pretty well. This is what Jean, Management Associate to the CEO at a Bertelsmann company at the time, saw and experienced first hand before Echometer: 85 % of employees are not really satisfied with their work.

Try this: Ask 5 random people about their work. Potentially 4 of them will quickly start to complain about their job - be it their customers, their boss or their colleagues.

Naive Jean was wondering: Why are people not taking responsibility and proactively shaping their work environment? Instead of only complaining about it. What a massive problem in today’s corporate world!

So he searched for a team to help him address this rough idea or "problem space" that he had encountered.

This is where I (Christian) joined the picture. I was a psychologist who had just finished working in a data science company. But my actual enthusiasm lay in making psychological know-how applicable in the real world (e.g., see Psytastic app).

I pitched a psychology based startup idea on a Startup event - and Jean saw my pitch. He didn’t like my idea, but he liked me. Thank God! Jean thought this guy could be a good fit for Echometer - and I thought the same 😄

What are a psychologist, a techie and a business guy doing at a harbor? What sounds like the beginning of a bad joke is actually the beginning of our startup journey.

At that time, Jean already had Robin onboard, an extremely competent and fun Software Developer. They got to know each other in their fancy jobs at the Bertelsmann Company. 

The three of us were aligned on one thing: If we do this, we do this right. What we don't want is the pressure of quick monetization.

Thank god, our early advisor, psychologist Prof. Dr. Meinald Thielsch made us aware of this European scholarship for science based startups, EXIST. We applied for the scholarship - and got it. Now it was our official job to make use of scientific knowledge - amazing!

135K € in the bank… and no clue

As of February 1st 2019, we had 135K € in the bank (or to be accurate, available as a budget, according to the stipulations of the scholarship). And this very clear “problem space” to tackle. 

But wait - the problem wasn’t clear at all! What are the underlying root causes that need to be solved? Great question. How can we reach problem-solution-fit (aka PSF), if we don’t know the exact problems yet?

We did what every good startup does: trying to understand the problem that you want to solve through interviewing hundreds of people. This took place in our first office space, the Founder's Garage.

"What book would I bring if I were stranded on a desert island? 'How to build a boat.'”

Steven Wright

This pragmatic answer of Steven here is basically how we approached the complex “starting a startup challenge”. Doing the obvious things first. Being very busy.

Looking back at this time now, I don’t really know why we were so busy. We could have been way more effective. But I guess that is part of our personal development journey, learning step by step.

Over time, we were able to give the problem space a clearer name, a pattern we saw in our interviews: the missing “Agile mindset”.

From my psychological education, I knew it by another name: Missing self-efficacy, which is connected to “learned helplessness”: Basically, the feeling that you cannot overcome your challenges on your own. Your bosses have to do it.

Echometer story customer feedback
One of our first customers is publicly sharing positive feedback about Echometer - a small success.

At this point, we also won our first pilot customers (such as Shopware, see screenshot of LinkedIn). We mainly provided them with consulting services that allowed us to develop individual snippets of our software. It was going in the right direction, but…

"…this takes too long!"

The scholarship was limited to 12 months only - and so was our budget. It was 10 month into the scholarship when we had the first MVP software solution working. Two months left.

But a lot would be needed to make the solution work for customers without extensive training and onboarding efforts. What did we do?

Well, thanks to some early revenue and another, smaller german scholarship called the NRW start-up grant, we were able to continue working. Each founder at least had a monthly salary of 1.450,00€ in the second year. Not too bad!

Over our second year, we generated new learnings about the life of our persona. We understood the market and its pains. And saw clearer and clearer why there is a need for a team development tool like ours.

What did we learn?

Learning 1

How do I know if I'm a good Agile Coach?

These amazingly important new roles - Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches - have a problem: To be respected by business stakeholders and managers, you need some way to measure your performance. What makes a Scrum Master successful? How do I know if I am a good Agile Coach?

What is an Agile Coach?
Typically it is a Coach for teams that are working with agile methods and frameworks. A servant leader that knows these frameworks and trains the team in implementing them.

At the same time, those exact same managers are oftentimes one of the biggest reasons for work environments hindering agile transformations.

Some of the IT managers we interviewed put it quite bluntly like this:

"To be honest, I consider my Agile Coaches to be 'treehuggers'. Of all managers, they are the hippies. It's just hard to say if their work is having the benefit it should have, from what I've heard , some Scrum Masters are like kindergarten teachers to their team."

Uh, that hurts. They have such an important role but sometimes are not taken seriously by management.

Given this, there is a need for a more data driven agile coaching process that does not contradict fostering the agile values or the psychological safety in teams. This is how you are gaining the respect of “old school” managers.

Once you as an Agile Coach or Scrum Master are respected, you are able to work on the mindset of those “old school manager’s” - who are oftentimes a blocker for a successful agile transformation.

Implication for Echometer: Have a data driven approach and agile maturity health checks at our tool’s core.

Learning 2

The development of the agile mindset is basically of black box.

For Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches, developing the agile mindset of their team is still a big challenge, kind of a black box. How do you unlearn the learned helplessness? How do you create self-efficacy, activate team members to participate in the continuous improvement process?

The causes of human behavior lie in psychology. Given this, Agile Coaches need a psychological perspective on the development of the agile mindset.

Implication for Echometer: Use psychology as a weapon, put it at our tool’s core.

Learning 3

Individuals and interactions over processes and tools.

The Agile Manifesto says it, and Agile Coaches and Scrum Masters repeatedly say it: “Individuals and interactions over processes and tools”. 

Early on, we heard people reasoning against tools, citing the Agile Manifesto. We heard people say it, and totally agreed with them. But why another retro tool then? 

What we had to learn: This sentence doesn’t mean that processes and tools are not important. They simply have to serve and adapt to the people and interactions. 

Let me explain it with another favorite citation from our market: “A fool with a tool is still a fool.”

True! A fool with a great tool stays a fool. But isn’t “Scrum” in itself basically a tool? Isn’t a “check-in” in a retrospective kind of a tool? 

These tools have the power to make you better - as long as the tool clearly guides you: i.e., when using it, you can do nothing wrong. 

Just for the record: from my experience most of the Agile Coaches and Scrum Masters are actually the opposite of fools, they are really smart.

Implication for Echometer: It has to be the easiest thing in the world to make use of our psychological nudges, depending on the maturity level of your team (members).

These three learnings are reason enough for another tool. And not for a typical retro tool. The tool, Echometer, needs to go beyond classic retros to really make a lasting positive impact. #Sustainagility

Fundraising – and scaling?

At the time, we all did the Scrum Master certification. To get to know our persona, get a feeling for how people get thrown into the deep end - suddenly being in this new role of a servant leader and coach.

The insights gained from that experience allowed us to even more view the challenge from our user’s point of view. We were winning more customers. Still, we were slowly but steadily running out of money by the end of 2020.

As if that were not enough, a competitor from Silicon Valley had raised 8 million from Microsoft Ventures and other investors some months before. A competitor raising money is not a problem in itself, but let’s say… psychologically this added a little flavor to our startup journey. If we were David, we finally found our Goliath.

Perfect time to talk to angel investors! It was thrilling. So much money on the table! And we were very happy to see that some of the first angel investors who commited to an investment - were early customers.

founding scene echometer

In January 2021, we raised our pre-seed round of around 600k € with well-known angel investors like Stefen Weich, the former CEO of the Unicorn Flaschenpost. Not quite 8 million, but damn. We were still very happy with it: enough financial runway to continue working on our mission! 

The next step is obvious: let’s activate the “We are hiring” badge!

"We're hiring"... too fast

And that is what we did. Sales, marketing, customer success… We hired them. Too fast.

I have to add, we did make some progress at the time. We won customers like Toyota, Miele, Volvo, Deutsche Bahn, Bilfinger, DATEV, leading car manufacturers whose names we are not allowed to publish. This is what a user published on LinkedIn LinkedIn - wow, making people happy makes us happy:

Echometer testimonial linkedIn

So we are developing our tool in the right direction. But, looking at it now, we still had the wrong go-to-market strategy: We used a sales team that actively reached out to our target group and asked them to let us demo our software to them.

This is quite an expensive sales approach that you can only afford if your deals have an average Annual Contract Value (ACV) of 10k € at minimum. Given that our ACV was still significantly lower at that time, it was way too early to hire all these great people to scale the existing processes. 

Some painful lessons

Our core learning: Scrum Masters and Agile Coaches don’t want to get sold on a retrospective tool. They simply want to try out tools on their own, deciding if it is good or not.

So there we were, we took a risk that backfired, and we were left with a sales team that wasn’t able to pay for itself, due to no fault of their own. Unfortunately, there was really only one option left: We had to let some people go again, in some cases not even a year after hiring them. 

As founders, that’s one of the toughest calls to make and to communicate to the team.

But in our case, something remarkable happened. Every single team member, even the ones who would have to leave us, reacted with sadness, of course, but also with understanding and compassion. 

There was no trace of hostility, disappointment, or offense. I’m incredibly proud that we managed to build a team culture that is so open, honest, and allowing for vulnerability, that this was able to happen in this way.

Our key sales guy, Andreas, published this post on LinkedIn: “See you soon, Echometer” (German: Auf Wiedersehen). Hearing “These 18 months were the best in my long career!” is such an honor.

Because as founders, we early on had the opinion that your company is the “is the machine that builds the machine”. Having engaged colleagues who love their work is the key to this - and it seems to work.

That leads us back to our greatest success to date. It's simply the fact that along the way - with all the ups and downs - we've managed to have a positive impact on both our users and our employees. 

This might sound trivial, but if you are a founder (or happen to know one) you might realize how hard this is given the pressure to succeed, all odds against you. In our view, a startup's journey, no matter where it leads, is successful as long as it has a positive impact on customers and employees.



"Trying is the first step to failure."

Homer Simpson, The Simpsons

Homer has my sense of humor and he's right. But he forgot the second part of this: Failure (and talking about it) is the path to learning, and thus to success. We, as many other Startups, are failing forward.

For example, we are so very happy to see that our current product development focus on “fun and flexibility during the retrospective” is leading to some first successes. After seeing our integrated whiteboard, a user recently said Echometer is like “Miro marrying EasyRetro”. Nice! #CelebrateTheSmallThings

To conclude, do we really need another retro tool? Let me put it this way: As an Agile Coach or Scrum Master, would you say it is easy to foster the agile mindset in and across teams?

There you go. This is why we are developing Echometer.

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